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   Leigh Huet | August 13, 2010 - 06:11 PM

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   [2010/08/12 20:04] Leigh Huet: welcome everyone to this impromptu class about metagaming
   [2010/08/12 20:05] Leigh Huet: I will ask that everyone close their OOC chat for now so we can concentrate on this

   class
   [2010/08/12 20:05] Leigh Huet: you can go back to teasing each other after class
   [2010/08/12 20:05] Elamyrath Bracken cries as he hits the 'x'
   [2010/08/12 20:05] Leigh Huet: you will make up for it later
   [2010/08/12 20:05] Waymon: ((Waymon Marenwolf has entered the area.))
   [2010/08/12 20:06] Leigh Huet: greeting and welcom waymon
   [2010/08/12 20:06] Waymon Marenwolf: hello every one rezzing in
   [2010/08/12 20:07] Leigh Huet: ok there are many forms of metagaming and we talked a bit in OOC about some of them
   [2010/08/12 20:07] Leigh Huet: lets first talk about tags
   [2010/08/12 20:07] Mas Sohl: Best to remove them afore wearing the clothing~snickers~
   [2010/08/12 20:07] Leigh Huet: personally I have names and tags turned off so I do not see them at all
   [2010/08/12 20:08] Seven Button: oops puts flask away
   [2010/08/12 20:08] Leigh Huet: this is great practice in that you can honestly say when you know someone because

   you have to be close to even see the meter
   [2010/08/12 20:09] Leigh Huet: so when I say I see mandy in the distance I reallyl do because I know what she looks

   like but if she changed her apperance I would not know her
   [2010/08/12 20:09] AmandaBrook Wirefly: mmhmm
   [2010/08/12 20:09] Leigh Huet: some like for the constables may use their tag to show as their badge
   [2010/08/12 20:09] AmandaBrook Wirefly: just like u changed ur appearance on me..shakes her head..i was lost fer a

   min
   [2010/08/12 20:10] Leigh Huet: yep because there was an IC reason for it
   [2010/08/12 20:10] Waymon Marenwolf: yea i have made that mistake my self but try not to as a rule if i do i tell

   them they can beat me up for it
   [2010/08/12 20:10] Mas Sohl: I wear my badge on my collar,but that's me.
   [2010/08/12 20:10] Mas Sohl hushes
   [2010/08/12 20:10] Leigh Huet: reading anothers name and or tag is a form of metagaming because it is information

   that your character does not know
   [2010/08/12 20:11] Leigh Huet: just like RL we do not wear tags that say what group we arein
   [2010/08/12 20:11] Elamyrath Bracken: [edit > preferences > general > show names] if you don't know how to turn

   them off and wish to
   [2010/08/12 20:12] Leigh Huet: thank you Elam
   [2010/08/12 20:12] Elamyrath Bracken: ^.^ np
   [2010/08/12 20:12] Leigh Huet: I like it better because my screen is not so full
   [2010/08/12 20:13] Leigh Huet: another form of metagaming that is a common mistake is the use of names
   [2010/08/12 20:13] Leigh Huet: you see it in the chat
   [2010/08/12 20:13] Leigh Huet: now you can be discriptive by saying ....turns her attention towards Peisinoe "I

   have not met you before have I?"
   [2010/08/12 20:14] Leigh Huet: that is easier than trying to describe woman with dark hair
   [2010/08/12 20:14] Leigh Huet: that would not be metagaming
   [2010/08/12 20:14] Leigh Huet: what about peoples title line on the meter?
   [2010/08/12 20:15] Mas Sohl: Descriptor,allowed to be known
   [2010/08/12 20:15] AmandaBrook Wirefly: not metagaming if its a smell or a physical attribute
   [2010/08/12 20:15] Leigh Huet: correct
   [2010/08/12 20:15] Renita Yardley: Metagaming if you use it , such as name or what they do
   [2010/08/12 20:15] Mas Sohl: Ah,yes,yes,forogt about titles like Candidate or manager,sorry
   [2010/08/12 20:15] Mas Sohl: *forgot
   [2010/08/12 20:15] Leigh Huet: for like Petunia's title that would not help me for I could not use it
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Leigh Huet: if I did that would be metagaming
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Petunia Sweetwater: You could use it as a recognizeing from the posters correct?
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Leigh Huet: if I had seen a poster
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Mas Sohl: Well,they would have to know that already
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Leigh Huet: but ICly I might not have
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Talisa Shriner: lol..cant miss her posters
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Mas Sohl really tries to let the teacher teach
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Petunia Sweetwater: lol
   [2010/08/12 20:16] Leigh Huet: actuallyl my character has not seen them
   [2010/08/12 20:17] Nicolie Luv: oh man that does make the screen so much better
   [2010/08/12 20:17] Leigh Huet: yes it does..smiles
   [2010/08/12 20:17] Mas Sohl: That's why I do it.
   [2010/08/12 20:17] Leigh Huet: ok these are minor things and most of us do not do them on purpose
   [2010/08/12 20:18] Leigh Huet: they are those small accidentals as humans we make
   [2010/08/12 20:19] Leigh Huet: they are not someting that would get you in trouble for unless it was something you

   did ALL the time with everyone you met then you might have a moderator tap you on the shoulder
   [2010/08/12 20:19] Leigh Huet: ok another form of metagaming....OOC chat
   [2010/08/12 20:19] Leigh Huet: what can happen there?
   [2010/08/12 20:19] Mas Sohl: The thigns that get the dreaded "FIND OUT IC"
   [2010/08/12 20:19] Mas Sohl: WHere is the bank
   [2010/08/12 20:19] Nazaire Dragonash: where's the beef?
   [2010/08/12 20:20] Nazaire Dragonash: I mean food
   [2010/08/12 20:20] Mas Sohl: Asking things in OOC one should find out IC
   [2010/08/12 20:20] Mas Sohl: Telling IC things in OOC
   [2010/08/12 20:20] Leigh Huet: can this just happen in OOC?
   [2010/08/12 20:20] Talisa Shriner: nope
   [2010/08/12 20:20] AmandaBrook Wirefly: ims too
   [2010/08/12 20:21] Mas Sohl: I guess IMs it could happen too...if someone reported it.
   [2010/08/12 20:21] Mas Sohl tries to look innocent
   [2010/08/12 20:21] Leigh Huet: ok lets say I need to have my character get with Waymon's but I don't know if he is

   avaible what can I do?
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Nazaire Dragonash: send up a flare
   [2010/08/12 20:22] AmandaBrook Wirefly: icly..send a messenger to find him or in ur case borris
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Mas Sohl: Wander around and ask every bloody person you see if thy have seem him
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Waymon Marenwolf: umm do like me wnder till you find em
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Leigh Huet: actually I have several options
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Talisa Shriner: sned Borris?
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Petunia Sweetwater: sense
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Mas Sohl: Explain the resident chat for me,I mean,I GET the idea,but am a little vague on

   specifically what and how we can know the things said in it.
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Talisa Shriner: *send
   [2010/08/12 20:22] Leigh Huet: one is to IM him and say "are you availble for RP?"
   [2010/08/12 20:23] Leigh Huet: if he is then I would tell him to watch residents
   [2010/08/12 20:23] Leigh Huet: and send Borris
   [2010/08/12 20:23] Leigh Huet: did I talk about why?
   [2010/08/12 20:23] Mas Sohl: Not from what you said,no.
   [2010/08/12 20:23] AmandaBrook Wirefly: nope
   [2010/08/12 20:24] Leigh Huet: because if I did then I have poisoned the sceene that I need him for by giving him

   prior knowledge
   [2010/08/12 20:24] Mas Sohl: So,technically,it is illegal to set up a scene?
   [2010/08/12 20:24] Leigh Huet: clarify that for me mas
   [2010/08/12 20:25] Mas Sohl: Well,if you wanted to set something up,like,er...loosely "direct" a scene.
   [2010/08/12 20:25] Mas Sohl: But WITH permission of the participants
   [2010/08/12 20:26] Petunia Sweetwater: such as a recent post [19:22] Ara Rinq fairly loud high pitched scream could

   be heard in the direction of vamporium as a bright light fashed across the sim for a second
   [2010/08/12 20:26] Mas Sohl: Not talking force it,but agree upon it.
   [2010/08/12 20:26] Leigh Huet: if I need permission then yes I would set it up
   [2010/08/12 20:26] Mas Sohl: Well,that we would see in the sky.
   [2010/08/12 20:27] Petunia Sweetwater: That sets a scene and is precicely what people would see and hear
   [2010/08/12 20:27] Leigh Huet: and it may or may not cause your character to go there to find out why
   [2010/08/12 20:27] Mas Sohl: That I understand knowing,going back to an earlier question of mine
   [2010/08/12 20:27] Leigh Huet: we will talk about residents in a moment that is next
   [2010/08/12 20:27] Mas Sohl nods"Thanks"
   [2010/08/12 20:28] Leigh Huet: the main thing for the IM's and OOC is are you giving information that could change

   how a person would react? if so then you are metagaming
   [2010/08/12 20:29] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: Damn Mas I almost sat in yer lap lol
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Mas Sohl: Yeah,because I would complain.
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Mas Sohl: Talisa
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Talisa Shriner: lol
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Mas Sohl: you be on Talisa
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Leigh Huet: so she sits in talisa's
   [2010/08/12 20:29] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: giggles
   [2010/08/12 20:29] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: ooops
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Mas Sohl: Free next to me.
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Petunia Sweetwater: tto the immediate left and right of Leigh
   [2010/08/12 20:29] Waymon Marenwolf: come can sit on mine lol
   [2010/08/12 20:30] Leigh Huet: always fun waiting for the rez
   [2010/08/12 20:30] Leigh Huet: ok lets talk about residents
   [2010/08/12 20:30] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: lol
   [2010/08/12 20:31] Leigh Huet: everything in residents is IC knowledge
   [2010/08/12 20:31] Leigh Huet: for instance
   [2010/08/12 20:32] Leigh Huet: when a street urchain is used to get someone
   [2010/08/12 20:32] Mas Sohl: Well,Yes.But some of the things said sometimes seem to be somehting that would be

   difficult to know.
   [2010/08/12 20:32] Mas Sohl: *somehting
   [2010/08/12 20:32] Leigh Huet: ok let me finish
   [2010/08/12 20:32] Mas Sohl: SOrry
   [2010/08/12 20:33] Mas Sohl: *something,damn typos
   [2010/08/12 20:33] Leigh Huet: it is up to you to figure out one is is something that pertains to your character,

   if it does, how would your character plausably learn the information
   [2010/08/12 20:34] Leigh Huet: the messengers we use, when I send borris you could know that Leigh sent him for

   someone, if your present with the person then you would even know the message
   [2010/08/12 20:34] Nicolie Luv: raises his hand
   [2010/08/12 20:34] Mas Sohl raises his hand and waits patiently so as not to interrupt horribly
   [2010/08/12 20:34] Leigh Huet: Nicolie first
   [2010/08/12 20:34] Nicolie Luv: who is Borris?
   [2010/08/12 20:35] Leigh Huet: that you will have to find out ICly
   [2010/08/12 20:35] Mas Sohl mutter softly"find out IC"
   [2010/08/12 20:35] Nicolie Luv: ok
   [2010/08/12 20:35] Leigh Huet: Mas
   [2010/08/12 20:35] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: bops mas
   [2010/08/12 20:35] Seven Button: raisis hand
   [2010/08/12 20:36] Mas Sohl: OK,Now,I have been guilty of it I know,but I wonder if sometimes what wwe post into

   residents is unknowable.Example.
   [2010/08/12 20:36] Mas Sohl: Yesterday,something happened in the jail.
   [2010/08/12 20:36] Mas Sohl: No one was around except the poster.
   [2010/08/12 20:36] Mas Sohl: HOW could we know that?
   [2010/08/12 20:36] Mas Sohl: I know I have done similar but that always vexed me.
   [2010/08/12 20:37] Leigh Huet: how many of you think that the only people in this city are the players
   [2010/08/12 20:37] AmandaBrook Wirefly: not me
   [2010/08/12 20:37] Mas Sohl: I suppose you could say the guards
   [2010/08/12 20:37] Mas Sohl: Wait,what?
   [2010/08/12 20:37] Mas Sohl: Clarify "players,please"
   [2010/08/12 20:37] AmandaBrook Wirefly: may i explain?
   [2010/08/12 20:37] Waymon Marenwolf: yes please
   [2010/08/12 20:37] Leigh Huet: sure mandy
   [2010/08/12 20:39] AmandaBrook Wirefly: besides the players you have npcs....such as borris.....i can be alond in

   the cafe..no one but a npc and do something i should and mandys mother can always find out what she did...same thing

   at the police station or the ten bells...npc you can dice roll to get info from.
   [2010/08/12 20:39] AmandaBrook Wirefly: alone*
   [2010/08/12 20:40] Leigh Huet: there is another thing that most of you do not think of for I see it in your PR
   [2010/08/12 20:40] Leigh Huet: RP*
   [2010/08/12 20:40] Leigh Huet: this is london
   [2010/08/12 20:40] Leigh Huet: there is no way that we could give youthe feel of all the people in this city

   without losing all the buildings
   [2010/08/12 20:41] Leigh Huet: and a sim will only hold so many people
   [2010/08/12 20:41] Leigh Huet: just because you do not see another avatar does not mean that you are alone in the

   city
   [2010/08/12 20:42] Mas Sohl nods"OK,but one would have to know to ask,yes?Or are you speaking of a "so,what's been

   happening?"?And sometimes it seems the posts in residents are not really meant to be known by any but the

   poster,like a covert affair type deal.
   [2010/08/12 20:42] Leigh Huet: how many of you have seen sweeny todd or dracula, or any movie set in london..
   [2010/08/12 20:42] Leigh Huet: if it is to be covert don't RP it in residents
   [2010/08/12 20:42] AmandaBrook Wirefly: i has
   [2010/08/12 20:42] Nicolie Luv: I have
   [2010/08/12 20:42] Mas Sohl: OK.SO basically SOMEONE has seen it and if you ask you will find out?
   [2010/08/12 20:43] Waymon Marenwolf: i have
   [2010/08/12 20:43] Renita Yardley: Ihave as well..
   [2010/08/12 20:43] Petunia Sweetwater: are you to assume your always around other people then? Many RP is done in

   the guise of being alone
   [2010/08/12 20:43] Leigh Huet: this is london the streets are technically FULL of people
   [2010/08/12 20:43] Mas Sohl: But you need an ST for it.To find out,yes?
   [2010/08/12 20:43] Nicolie Luv: you never know who is hiding in the shadows
   [2010/08/12 20:43] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: unless like Mori you live way out in the country
   [2010/08/12 20:43] Waymon Marenwolf: or hang in the swamps
   [2010/08/12 20:44] AmandaBrook Wirefly: brb..bout to crash
   [2010/08/12 20:44] Leigh Huet: no not if they posted in residents
   [2010/08/12 20:44] Seven Button: raisis hand
   [2010/08/12 20:44] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: right
   [2010/08/12 20:45] Leigh Huet: Seven
   [2010/08/12 20:45] Mas Sohl: So,then they could not cry foul if you find out,IF you used an ST to gather the info?
   [2010/08/12 20:45] Seven Button: is the residence chat you refer to the ooc chat channel?
   [2010/08/12 20:45] Leigh Huet: no residents is the Isle of Legacies - Residents
   [2010/08/12 20:45] Mas Sohl: No,that is our OOC playground
   [2010/08/12 20:45] Seven Button: sorry newb here
   [2010/08/12 20:45] Leigh Huet: the one that gave you your citizenship
   [2010/08/12 20:46] Nazaire Dragonash: some don't have that yet babe with the inviter being down
   [2010/08/12 20:46] Leigh Huet: the OOC is our playground and totally different and why both groups are required to

   RP here
   [2010/08/12 20:46] Seven Button: ok how do i pull that up...may i ask?
   [2010/08/12 20:46] Leigh Huet: go to your groups and then find the resident group then click IM
   [2010/08/12 20:46] Leigh Huet: when one posts you will see it
   [2010/08/12 20:46] Mas Sohl: unless you already closed it out since logging on.
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Mas Sohl: I hate that.
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Leigh Huet: but ALL post MUST be IC and anything that is said there is IC knowledge
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Seven Button: ok thank you..ive been chatting in open chatt ..so i should be chatting in the

   residence chat?..getting confused
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Leigh Huet: no seven
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Petunia Sweetwater: Can we tell people what we are thinking or wondering in our heads?
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Leigh Huet: all of us RP in general
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Leigh Huet: ok lets slow down
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Seven Button: ok.....and whats residnce used for?
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Seven Button: sorry im new
   [2010/08/12 20:47] Leigh Huet: Residents has several uses all of it IC
   [2010/08/12 20:48] Nazaire Dragonash: Seven I will get you in IM's
   [2010/08/12 20:48] Seven Button: okedoke
   [2010/08/12 20:48] Leigh Huet: one is to let people know you are looking for RP, by posting that you are going for

   a walk
   [2010/08/12 20:48] Leigh Huet: or that you are in 10 Bells getting a drink
   [2010/08/12 20:48] Seven Button: oic
   [2010/08/12 20:48] Leigh Huet: or that your character is in the cafe
   [2010/08/12 20:48] Seven Button: gatya
   [2010/08/12 20:49] Leigh Huet: this is IC posts and then another player can see this post and go there to RP with

   you
   [2010/08/12 20:49] Seven Button: got it
   [2010/08/12 20:49] Waymon nods
   [2010/08/12 20:49] Leigh Huet: another way is to introduce your character to legacies
   [2010/08/12 20:49] Leigh Huet: another like that one for the hospital
   [2010/08/12 20:49] Leigh Huet: that is to say, hey I have RP that needs medical staff
   [2010/08/12 20:50] Leigh Huet: then they can come to the hospital for another reason and do that RP
   [2010/08/12 20:50] Leigh Huet: another is your business statingyou are loking for help
   [2010/08/12 20:50] Leigh Huet: this goes with notices
   [2010/08/12 20:50] Leigh Huet: the candidates having flyers printed and sent out to the city
   [2010/08/12 20:51] Leigh Huet: or that you are going to the printers to have something printed and then pick them

   up later to distribute or even put an ad in the newspaper
   [2010/08/12 20:51] Leigh Huet: all IC information and information that others can know about
   [2010/08/12 20:51] Petunia Sweetwater: putting an ad in the newspaper?
   [2010/08/12 20:52] Leigh Huet: yes
   [2010/08/12 20:52] Leigh Huet: all ic knowledge
   [2010/08/12 20:52] Petunia Sweetwater: so that is all that is required for newspaper ads?
   [2010/08/12 20:52] Leigh Huet: yes
   [2010/08/12 20:52] Leigh Huet: and you can post it on the forum
   [2010/08/12 20:52] Leigh Huet: you can add a NC
   [2010/08/12 20:53] Leigh Huet: currently we do not have a character running the paper
   [2010/08/12 20:53] Leigh Huet: but that does not mean it doesn't exist
   [2010/08/12 20:53] Petunia Sweetwater: shoudlnt that be the RP then?
   [2010/08/12 20:53] Leigh Huet: clarify your question please
   [2010/08/12 20:54] Petunia Sweetwater: me?
   [2010/08/12 20:54] Leigh Huet: yes please
   [2010/08/12 20:54] Petunia Sweetwater: you said there is noone running the paper, so shouldn't the RP be that there

   is noone running the paper?
   [2010/08/12 20:54] Leigh Huet: no
   [2010/08/12 20:55] Leigh Huet: because this is a big city
   [2010/08/12 20:55] Leigh Huet: just because there is not an actual player doing the RP doesn't mean the city

   doesn't have one
   [2010/08/12 20:55] Waymon rasies a hand
   [2010/08/12 20:55] Leigh Huet: waymon
   [2010/08/12 20:55] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: basicly if i understand correctly we have to act as if there are NPCs

   around
   [2010/08/12 20:55] Leigh Huet: exactly you do
   [2010/08/12 20:55] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: and be creative
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Leigh Huet: that is what RP is all about
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Waymon Marenwolf: as for the news paper is it delivered or do you have to go get it
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Leigh Huet: up to your RP
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Nicolie: "raises hand"
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Waymon Marenwolf: and you wouldnt want a drow running it would you
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Leigh Huet: but what does a paper normally do in 1891
   [2010/08/12 20:56] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: I may for example send Leigh a missive via salamanders because Mori is

   a witch and can send them via elementals
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Leigh Huet: why not
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Mas Sohl: wrap fish
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Renita Yardley: paper boy on the corner screaming GET YOUR PAPER
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Petunia Sweetwater: so a using a paper is just a way to make a statement you want told to

   everyone
   [2010/08/12 20:56] Leigh Huet: exactly Renita
   [2010/08/12 20:57] Waymon Marenwolf: got you
   [2010/08/12 20:57] Leigh Huet: why not as a candidate wouldn't you put an ad in the paper about your campaign
   [2010/08/12 20:57] Petunia Sweetwater: that is godmoding
   [2010/08/12 20:58] Petunia Sweetwater: if you have a paper, RP a paper being put out, and send a notice
   [2010/08/12 20:58] Nicolie Luv: so to try and get the part of running the paper you would roleplay getting a

   business liceanse?
   [2010/08/12 20:58] Petunia Sweetwater: if they open the notice, they can RP getting a paper, if not, then it would

   be godmoding information on people
   [2010/08/12 20:58] Leigh Huet: but I will warn you of one thing if your character uses it for slander and it is

   proven slander your character could face charges for slander but you would need to hire a lawyer
   [2010/08/12 20:58] Petunia Sweetwater: especially malicous attacks on peoples IC game
   [2010/08/12 20:59] Leigh Huet: if you wish your RP to run the paper
   [2010/08/12 20:59] Leigh Huet: this is a challenging RP
   [2010/08/12 20:59] Leigh Huet: but can be a lot of fun
   [2010/08/12 20:59] Petunia Sweetwater: you dont agree that people should have to read a paper, not just be told the

   knowledge in residents whenever someone wants to post whats in their head?
   [2010/08/12 20:59] Leigh Huet: if you are interested just let one of the mods know and start RPing it
   [2010/08/12 21:00] Leigh Huet: ok I am trying to keep up here
   [2010/08/12 21:01] Petunia Sweetwater: telling people what is written in a newspaper is not the same as telling

   people there is a newspaper to read
   [2010/08/12 21:01] Renita Yardley: Can I say something here?
   [2010/08/12 21:01] Leigh Huet: Renita
   [2010/08/12 21:02] Renita Yardley: I think what Leigh is trying to say is that if you want to place say an ad for

   your campaign, you wuld put in residets that you are perhaps being interviewed for the paper, then..you would make a

   notecard with our actual article...if people have their character RP they geta apaer, they can opne it and readit.

   If they dont get a paper they decline.
   [2010/08/12 21:02] Renita Yardley: *your
   [2010/08/12 21:03] Mas Sohl: Well,people talk about what they read/see all the time.So,thought they SHOULD read the

   paper they would hear about it as well,no?
   [2010/08/12 21:03] Mas Sohl: *though
   [2010/08/12 21:03] Petunia Sweetwater: That is my exact problem Renita, that is not how it is being used by senior

   players
   [2010/08/12 21:03] Leigh Huet: explain your statement please
   [2010/08/12 21:04] Renita Yardley: ((sorry for the typos, I type fast and there i chat lag))
   [2010/08/12 21:05] Nicolie Luv: My apoligies this class is great but it's 12:05 AM for me and I'm up at 4 with a 6

   hr drive ahead of me.
   [2010/08/12 21:05] Mas Sohl: eeep,rest well,Nicolie.
   [2010/08/12 21:06] Leigh Huet: get some sleep darlin I will post this for everyone to read
   [2010/08/12 21:06] Renita Yardley: Good Night, Blessed Be Nicolie
   [2010/08/12 21:06] Nicolie Luv: have a good night everyone I will try to see you all tomorrown ight sometime
   [2010/08/12 21:06] Seven Button: night nic
   [2010/08/12 21:07] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: reeeaches over and gropes leigh on the ass hehe
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Petunia Sweetwater: posting what people read in the paper, is godmoding people are reading the

   paper
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Petunia Sweetwater: its godmoding people can read
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Leigh Huet: no it is not
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Renita Yardley: No its not, they have an option to read it if they want
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Leigh Huet: it is their choice if they read it or not
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Renita Yardley: Oops sorry Leigh
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Leigh Huet: not all characters can even read
   [2010/08/12 21:08] Leigh Huet: and no worries
   [2010/08/12 21:09] Tempus Overland: I have question. I've been wondering for awhile whether or not a trend I've

   noticed woudl be metagaming.
   [2010/08/12 21:09] Petunia Sweetwater: exactly why a newspaper should be posted in a notice and not posting what

   people read in the paper
   [2010/08/12 21:09] Leigh Huet: darlin
   [2010/08/12 21:09] Waymon Marenwolf: well some can read but not common so to say
   [2010/08/12 21:10] Leigh Huet: what you need to realize is that we only have so many players this is a big city,

   just because there is not an actual person RPing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
   [2010/08/12 21:10] Leigh Huet: like the dock workers
   [2010/08/12 21:10] Leigh Huet: or the captin of th ship that everyone rides
   [2010/08/12 21:10] Leigh Huet: or the street urchains we all send out
   [2010/08/12 21:10] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: vagrents churches orphanedges
   [2010/08/12 21:10] Leigh Huet: granted it would be great to have an actual person RPing running the paper
   [2010/08/12 21:11] Renita Yardley: clients
   [2010/08/12 21:11] Leigh Huet: but not everyone is interested in that RP
   [2010/08/12 21:11] Leigh Huet: but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
   [2010/08/12 21:11] Petunia Sweetwater: your not seeing what I am saying, your trying to defend your boyfriend.

   RPing there is a paper being put out and including a notecard is fine, posting what is written in a newspaper that

   everyone reads is godmodding
   [2010/08/12 21:11] Leigh Huet: even the hospital
   [2010/08/12 21:11] Leigh Huet: ummm excuse me?
   [2010/08/12 21:11] AmandaBrook Wirefly: no actually its not
   [2010/08/12 21:11] Renita Yardley: Its not godmodding....
   [2010/08/12 21:12] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: no unless it say ( you read .....)
   [2010/08/12 21:12] Renita Yardley: People have a choice to read it or not
   [2010/08/12 21:12] Petunia Sweetwater: like the campaign flyers Runa dn I put out, were stating that people were

   putting out a flyer, if people read it, they read it
   [2010/08/12 21:12] Petunia Sweetwater: putting statements in residents of statemenst like D did are malicious

   godmoding
   [2010/08/12 21:12] Renita Yardley: To be honest I didnt get your flyer, someone hnded it to me...so, thats an Rp

   right there
   [2010/08/12 21:13] Petunia Sweetwater: once the damage is done in Residents chat, it cannot be unsaid
   [2010/08/12 21:13] Leigh Huet: ok Petunia I think this is a personal issue for you and ask that you speek with one

   of the other moderators since you feel that I am being biased
   [2010/08/12 21:14] Petunia Sweetwater: ok
   [2010/08/12 21:14] Leigh Huet: Mateem will be comming to speak with you privately
   [2010/08/12 21:14] Nazaire Dragonash: Since I have become the white elephant in the room. I will clarify something.

   A think statement was put out, and then folowed up by an actual posting that took it physical. It was ALL in game,

   not a piece of that went OOC.
   [2010/08/12 21:14] Petunia Sweetwater: I was just sending him an IM
   [2010/08/12 21:14] Leigh Huet: for I do not want to see this blown out of proportion
   [2010/08/12 21:14] Leigh Huet: he is aware
   [2010/08/12 21:15] Nazaire Dragonash: every single one of us posts messages, for a certain person, or for the

   entire city in residents and then follow it up with a NC
   [2010/08/12 21:15] Nazaire Dragonash: yes, as the mun behind the character, we all read it
   [2010/08/12 21:15] Leigh Huet: might as well talk about think statement but I want to address Tempus question
   [2010/08/12 21:15] Nazaire Dragonash: however it is up to the character IN game to read it or hear about it
   [2010/08/12 21:16] Tempus Overland: Thank you, Leigh. It's kind of lenghty, so I apologize in advance.
   [2010/08/12 21:16] Tempus Overland: What about RPs that are not in a public area and the player has no IC knowledge

   of? I've seen players wander into semi-private areas (the police station, the hospital, the upper floors of the Cafe

   de London) and join in RPs even though those characters have no IC reason being there and would have no IC way of

   knowing about the RP. It's like they looked at the map, saw there was a lot of people, and came over. I realize

   there is no truly private RP on the game floor but there is a thing to be said about realism, plausibility, and

   disrupting the flow of a RP. Realistically, for example, people do not enter a hospital for the hell of it. They

   usually have some sort of business there. Would this be considered a form of meta gaming?
   [2010/08/12 21:16] Leigh Huet: not a problem
   [2010/08/12 21:17] Leigh Huet: that is actually a mixture and I willl tell you why
   [2010/08/12 21:17] Leigh Huet: we all use the mini map and look for the dots
   [2010/08/12 21:17] Talisa Shriner: listens interested as i have had the same questions
   [2010/08/12 21:17] Leigh Huet: we want someone to RP with
   [2010/08/12 21:17] Leigh Huet: so we congregate to the dots
   [2010/08/12 21:18] Leigh Huet: when there is a large cluster of dots we KNOW something OOCly is p there and want to

   see what it is
   [2010/08/12 21:18] Leigh Huet: now how you enter that RP is a different matter
   [2010/08/12 21:18] Leigh Huet: what would be good ways to see if your character would have a reason to be there?
   [2010/08/12 21:18] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: LOL at times I just hunt dots
   [2010/08/12 21:18] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: to see whos there lol
   [2010/08/12 21:19] Mas Sohl: I try to keep my map off...really I do,but I do follow my legacies radar.
   [2010/08/12 21:19] Leigh Huet: and there is nothing wrong with that UNLESS you are ICly chasing someone THEN it IS

   metagaming
   [2010/08/12 21:19] Renita Yardley: Thats down right cheating
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Mas Sohl: but as a constable I am expected to be a bit nosy and go everywhere.
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Leigh Huet: yep you are Mas
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Leigh Huet: but say at the police station'
   [2010/08/12 21:20] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: and as a dog youd be able to follow a scent trail
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Waymon Marenwolf: same with drow is in our nature to spy
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Mas Sohl: but I still try to keep that map shut...
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Waymon Marenwolf: err look at things
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Leigh Huet: yes bout even for a dog there are a hell of a lot of scents in the city
   [2010/08/12 21:20] AmandaBrook Wirefly: and my character is nosy in general so u never know where her ass may pop

   up. lol
   [2010/08/12 21:20] Mas Sohl nods
   [2010/08/12 21:21] Mas Sohl: that is why I do a lot of examining to familiarize myself with scents...
   [2010/08/12 21:21] Leigh Huet: that is why when following a trail you roll for it even as a lycan
   [2010/08/12 21:21] Mas Sohl: Oh,yes,when actually looking for someone.
   [2010/08/12 21:21] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: nods agreed but a tracking hound can follow a scent down an interstate

   to follow a scent its been documented
   [2010/08/12 21:21] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: nods
   [2010/08/12 21:21] Leigh Huet: guys
   [2010/08/12 21:21] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: exactly
   [2010/08/12 21:21] Mas Sohl hushes"sorry"
   [2010/08/12 21:22] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: zips lol sorry
   [2010/08/12 21:22] Leigh Huet: back to tempus' question, if you go to the police station your character should have

   a reason to be there
   [2010/08/12 21:22] Leigh Huet: even if there is a RP going on and you want to be a part of it you should still have

   an IC reason for it
   [2010/08/12 21:22] Leigh Huet: same for the hospital
   [2010/08/12 21:22] Leigh Huet: if you work there then that is easy
   [2010/08/12 21:23] Leigh Huet: perhaps a friend works there
   [2010/08/12 21:23] Leigh Huet: or you have a cold or cut your hand those are IC reasons
   [2010/08/12 21:23] Leigh Huet: going to the cafe just to relax are IC reasons
   [2010/08/12 21:23] Leigh Huet: I understand where your comming from tempus in that yoour dealing with a jail break

   or just arrested and others join in just because
   [2010/08/12 21:25] Leigh Huet: but it does also add interesting twist
   [2010/08/12 21:25] Leigh Huet: just think before you act OOCly, is this something my character would get involved

   in
   [2010/08/12 21:25] Leigh Huet: if not move on to something else and just have fun
   [2010/08/12 21:26] Tempus Overland: It was pretty disruptive, especially considering the RP was big and chaotic as

   it was. I understand the desire to join in and have nothing against those players. They just wanted some RP.

   However, my feelings where a long the lines of what you just said, Leigh. It's best to have a plausibly reason to

   join an RP like that.
   [2010/08/12 21:27] Seven Button: here here...
   [2010/08/12 21:27] Renita Yardley: I agree totally
   [2010/08/12 21:27] Leigh Huet: and there is only one person that can be sure of that happening...who is that

   person?
   [2010/08/12 21:27] Renita Yardley: yerslef :P
   [2010/08/12 21:28] Leigh Huet: exactly
   [2010/08/12 21:28] Leigh Huet: only you can make that decision
   [2010/08/12 21:29] Leigh Huet: ok there is one last thing I want to go over with you guys
   [2010/08/12 21:29] AmandaBrook Wirefly: eek..sorry..scrolls back...got attacked by something small and fuzzy
   [2010/08/12 21:29] Seven Button: this should be a mandatory class....
   [2010/08/12 21:29] Leigh Huet: laughs my cat does that
   [2010/08/12 21:29] AmandaBrook Wirefly: lol
   [2010/08/12 21:29] Leigh Huet: that is think statements
   [2010/08/12 21:29] Leigh Huet: there is no rule against them
   [2010/08/12 21:30] Leigh Huet: however
   [2010/08/12 21:30] Leigh Huet: it is what we call dead end RP
   [2010/08/12 21:30] Leigh Huet: I usually do a whole class on them
   [2010/08/12 21:30] Leigh Huet: it is the author vs actor RP
   [2010/08/12 21:30] Elamyrath Bracken makes the angry face at those
   [2010/08/12 21:31] Renita Yardley: Im guilty of think statements..... :P I can honestly say that...and they are

   quite useless...lol
   [2010/08/12 21:31] Leigh Huet: one of the things about RPing is that it is text based
   [2010/08/12 21:31] AmandaBrook Wirefly: if i use a think statement i try to follow it up with some kinda of

   action..like twitching my nose or biting my nails.
   [2010/08/12 21:31] Nazaire Dragonash: unless followed up by something that brings them in the open
   [2010/08/12 21:31] Mas Sohl: I usually try to make them knowable in actions,gestures etc within the emote
   [2010/08/12 21:32] Leigh Huet: ok this is where I am now going to say, justifying them with actions doesn't change

   them and here is the reason why
   [2010/08/12 21:32] Renita Yardley: I do to, but still....noone is supposed to know what your htining unless they

   can read minds..they just see you biting your nails or twitching brows
   [2010/08/12 21:32] Leigh Huet: I did RP with one girl that was doing one think statment after another she was

   giving the actions of lieing
   [2010/08/12 21:32] Leigh Huet: my character could use this
   [2010/08/12 21:33] Leigh Huet: but after a half hour of her denying and saying she was thinking of something else I

   gave up
   [2010/08/12 21:33] Elamyrath Bracken raises hand
   [2010/08/12 21:33] Leigh Huet: if it is information that you do NOT want to talk about or RP about just DON"T do it
   [2010/08/12 21:33] Leigh Huet: it is bad ettiquette
   [2010/08/12 21:33] Renita Yardley: amen sista
   [2010/08/12 21:33] Leigh Huet: and frustrating to your fellow plaers
   [2010/08/12 21:34] MorighanStormcrow Fairey: nods
   [2010/08/12 21:34] Leigh Huet: if you plan to actually RP about it then ok use them give the actions that would

   bring it out for that furthers RP
   [2010/08/12 21:34] Leigh Huet: but if you just think it and leave
   [2010/08/12 21:34] Elamyrath Bracken puts his hand down
   [2010/08/12 21:34] Leigh Huet: or deny
   [2010/08/12 21:34] Leigh Huet: why did you think it to begin with?
   [2010/08/12 21:36] Nazaire Dragonash: mine was ok though/ my actual think statement was put out there for any

   character who reads
   [2010/08/12 21:36] Nazaire Dragonash: it wasn't just a think statement
   [2010/08/12 21:36] Nazaire Dragonash: ?
   [2010/08/12 21:36] Talisa Shriner: what about when your hand thinks? I dont mean to be rude but I have seen that

   before.
   [2010/08/12 21:36] Nazaire Dragonash: I would like clarification on this as well, and in public for us all to see
   [2010/08/12 21:37] AmandaBrook Wirefly: ur hands think?
   [2010/08/12 21:37] Nazaire Dragonash: yes, he does think, and alot of times or most times he will bring that in the

   open with an action, or flat out in the face
   [2010/08/12 21:38] Elamyrath Bracken: now, my character will think something but there will be some form of action

   to show he's thinking. he may not always say exactly what he is thinking, but i give the inclination that something

   is in fact being thought, and the direction it's good. it can give depth and feeling to the character. when done

   improperly, it feels like ooc hidden in ic statements and can really hurt people at times
   [2010/08/12 21:39] Elamyrath Bracken: good=going
   [2010/08/12 21:39] Nazaire Dragonash: if the mun behind the character is hurt? that is crossing
   [2010/08/12 21:39] Nazaire Dragonash: it didn't happen ooc
   [2010/08/12 21:39] Nazaire Dragonash: and was never intended for the mun
   [2010/08/12 21:39] Nazaire Dragonash: but te character
   [2010/08/12 21:40] Nazaire Dragonash: I think al of in here at one time have another character hate ours, but in

   ooc where the conf happens we're laughing
   [2010/08/12 21:40] Nazaire Dragonash: its kept seperate
   [2010/08/12 21:40] Nazaire Dragonash: or should be
   [2010/08/12 21:40] AmandaBrook Wirefly: exactly
   [2010/08/12 21:40] Renita Yardley: AGreed
   [2010/08/12 21:41] AmandaBrook Wirefly: my character hates several ppl...but i love them all oocly
   [2010/08/12 21:41] Leigh Huet: think statments are just plain out dangerous and why I try to avoid them if my

   character wants you to know it she will tell you
   [2010/08/12 21:41] Renita Yardley: Yes, me to
   [2010/08/12 21:41] Leigh Huet: it makes for more interactive RP
   [2010/08/12 21:41] Leigh Huet: the thing that we all need to remember
   [2010/08/12 21:41] Talisa Shriner: i can give an example but will remain civil
   [2010/08/12 21:42] AmandaBrook Wirefly: poor ammon gets hell from my char. but i still luv him oocly
   [2010/08/12 21:42] Leigh Huet: this is where I will say because this is text based
   [2010/08/12 21:42] Leigh Huet: you see what a person thingks
   [2010/08/12 21:42] Leigh Huet: OOCly you know
   [2010/08/12 21:43] Leigh Huet: if you only do a think statment in the end you almost force the other player to

   metagame
   [2010/08/12 21:43] Leigh Huet: why?
   [2010/08/12 21:43] Nazaire Dragonash: cause their itchin to slap the shit out of you?
   [2010/08/12 21:43] Renita Yardley: :P
   [2010/08/12 21:43] Leigh Huet: that too
   [2010/08/12 21:44] Leigh Huet: but to react or respond they would have to actually read your mind
   [2010/08/12 21:44] Leigh Huet: now you can roll for this
   [2010/08/12 21:44] Leigh Huet: and get it that way
   [2010/08/12 21:44] Leigh Huet: but in the end are you having fun?
   [2010/08/12 21:44] Talisa Shriner: question
   [2010/08/12 21:45] Leigh Huet: talisa
   [2010/08/12 21:46] Talisa Shriner: what about an environment situation such as some place being cloaked so that no

   one supposedly can hear anything going without a RP ball being put out to indicate that to potential listeners?
   [2010/08/12 21:46] Leigh Huet: ok was it rolled that the room was sealed?
   [2010/08/12 21:47] Talisa Shriner: have no clue could have been before i arrived i guess but shouldn't that be a RP

   ball so that someone can tell just walking up. How does the person know it was successful or not?
   [2010/08/12 21:49] Leigh Huet: if you are talking about the situation I think you are, it was when you were outside

   the cafe? that was rolled for and according to my radar you were in listening distance so should have heard the RP

   that the building was sealed and it was successfully rolled if you like I can try to find it in my logs for you so

   you can see it I will always be happy to justfy any of my RP for anyone
   [2010/08/12 21:51] Talisa Shriner: not necessary...just wanted to know. I didn't hear it nor did i see the

   successful roll. Next time i will watch for it. I was informed in IM of the situation. So in keeping with that idea.

   Anyone can RP the same actual action and roll for a success? I get alot of people listening at my place as well.
   [2010/08/12 21:52] Leigh Huet: some may be there just to play with the zombies
   [2010/08/12 21:52] Leigh Huet: and not really listeing to your RP they just happen to be there
   [2010/08/12 21:52] Elamyrath Bracken does lurv him some zombies
   [2010/08/12 21:52] Leigh Huet: but I will also say this
   [2010/08/12 21:52] Renita Yardley: lurv?
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Leigh Huet: if they are listening to the RP and want to use it ICly
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Elamyrath Bracken: ^.^
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Talisa Shriner: i realize that i mean when they are actually there to listen. Is it plausible

   that my character has such posers?
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Leigh Huet: they would also need to RP that they are trying to listen in on it as well
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Leigh Huet: that is up to your character
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Talisa Shriner: powers
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Leigh Huet: how could she RP sealing a room magically?
   [2010/08/12 21:53] Talisa Shriner: have no iea
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Talisa Shriner: idea
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Leigh Huet: ok I so mixed that up
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Leigh Huet: how could you RP your character making a room sound proof
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Renita Yardley: O.o
   [2010/08/12 21:54] AmandaBrook Wirefly: a amfical ward
   [2010/08/12 21:54] AmandaBrook Wirefly: omg magical
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Renita Yardley: duct tape :p
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Nazaire Dragonash: or un-sound,..proof *cackles*
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Elamyrath Bracken: pillows, lots of pillows
   [2010/08/12 21:54] Leigh Huet: exactly a type of magical ward
   [2010/08/12 21:55] Leigh Huet: and remember they can also roll to break that ward
   [2010/08/12 21:55] AmandaBrook Wirefly: laughs at her typo
   [2010/08/12 21:55] Leigh Huet: but all should be RPd
   [2010/08/12 21:55] Leigh Huet: if you are wanting to listen to a conversation use your ettiquet and RP that you are

   listening
   [2010/08/12 21:55] Leigh Huet: if you have sealed it RP it
   [2010/08/12 21:55] Renita Yardley: i feel amfical right now :/
   [2010/08/12 21:56] Talisa Shriner: i dont know how to RP plausibly sealing a room for sound in 1891 but thank you

   that answers my question.
   [2010/08/12 21:56] AmandaBrook Wirefly: giggles
   [2010/08/12 21:56] Leigh Huet: if they want to still try to listen they can try to break it
   [2010/08/12 21:56] Leigh Huet: smiles
   [2010/08/12 21:56] Leigh Huet: my pleasure
   [2010/08/12 21:56] Leigh Huet: any other questions?
   [2010/08/12 21:56] Waymon Marenwolf: nope i am good leigh ty
   [2010/08/12 21:56] Nazaire Dragonash: yeah, but sincwe when did London have mermaids, werewolves and vampires and

   omg all sortd of creatures n it?
   [2010/08/12 21:57] Elamyrath Bracken whistles
   [2010/08/12 21:57] Leigh Huet: because that last one did fall under metagaming as well for if you do not RP that

   you are listening then you are not being fair to your fellow players
   [2010/08/12 21:57] Waymon Marenwolf: dont forget drow man i feel so left out
   [2010/08/12 21:57] Seven Button: Raisis hand
   [2010/08/12 21:57] Nazaire Dragonash: drows, demons, deamons, angels and oc course trhe occassional human
   [2010/08/12 21:57] Leigh Huet: ok let me give you all xp for comming to this impromptu class

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